Received: from mail-yb1-f188.google.com ([209.85.219.188]:43588) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jIHmB-0004iy-UG for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:09:53 -0700 Received: by mail-yb1-f188.google.com with SMTP id z8sf12817741ybi.10 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:09:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=m6IUEfPq3o4KS/OdQW8M1i9brdO3DHTpgPqfoeWLKh0=; b=e0kTpmcgLu/+GuTXTfJcw2JLj7YIo1dBrPGP06l5NlTdT96hm9+CL2MFVY3owyqpZa fHrpTcMkBgWBYpsCD4H7o99sAltljPcvy948znLP6ZsJrHeWjiPEMpuObeFTJm8+z+wH EpWzQsKsNrDIry6CkUYyPathyb03MXcjfLeYUyC1qUcFQy8m4R3EYETrtqOpfqrpSXjr xvZdIcF39pJ+6qVjmPoGKHcNFScErMwWTL/cgWo5RXU95p2QDskoyDYgxbCroWtrovZX A/JHjCwGYaEt1j0+fGkM43gE89E647f1JIgYNpPsh0ye07kbKcrNeEFlguAyHfr3UrYW YvCA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=m6IUEfPq3o4KS/OdQW8M1i9brdO3DHTpgPqfoeWLKh0=; b=li5zxtK2jPuz7Cmsq3wDYWrffWZVQzENcBs8sHnvnFrJSeQCQsTW3vg1Ov7Hf+4YZy g/eXD6D5+PfRELbQMUauEohKKdNuZHJD70NwhfMDqIPL0MLHpH7YIaKSbANM2Hm7nIUf xrLvQW/v/Q430O+AhdPIshmYeWVPGn+9S5uhQRkjynkGhoSygYK47lKfauHEh3LxQLHU hEnLg9/gi1vEcY7mpMIkMVQTbXCCfK24HoWeY7KRIQOnl1iUjI2Wem0xV3/58TlON7cm 1gIV7KEpI/GOSEPaejCNq5YK2L1OR+PfmJLfWL5HRe7kAPGgXT9GwufuvDwKLVPlr2Qn 87Tw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=m6IUEfPq3o4KS/OdQW8M1i9brdO3DHTpgPqfoeWLKh0=; b=oEjXSfKHytBSXKf8i9FEPj5JTUmTKFUDBOx8WZoxNMwJ/gWwtF8f5i9PzuCZxuR4lv 1iDXxmXEbxtdvjBPLvfBXMLG73FZgKbYwm6bVVjFQUlHEUkGxyQE73MjecFZCuz+g0BF WR/zkkerLbzlUthcnmmScYR6IxL2XMcuQpQWtlQYrJNvOMP7TExoyND9cUfgcBXOByh1 KeToCN+blnQqAi/8Uds58MQr9rldbfmb0SlLJQSY2fuKA9rBeT5+1zRXwI/c4yTGCReV jRVZuSyTYFztb+bZ0EWp4Ljum9OiQEsZW1aC6gEXieLg8FOl32J7NcOjUQkoOlFQtUV0 GROQ== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1vQOLXj+RJbmt6egQTLPMMPmpSGS0O0oLTTFIgpZHZT+5uSNbq F5LXVOhWnjPQS+9B2dPgzss= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsXNBC2DNQXtRQ0uPXoeWyRJBPUUTDPk1Sj4L1VUdLd/ZMja0jjom2uUFlhWwvTfH6cUzeRhg== X-Received: by 2002:a5b:506:: with SMTP id o6mr7830646ybp.79.1585426185752; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 2002:a25:b9c9:: with SMTP id y9ls4299679ybj.8.gmail; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a25:f505:: with SMTP id a5mr8232418ybe.449.1585426184895; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <86o8shdogd.fsf_-_@cmarib.ramside> References: <20151010033327.GC13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20151011173734.GI13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <86o8shdogd.fsf_-_@cmarib.ramside> Subject: [lojban] Re: Why does CLLv1.1 retain so many errors from CLLv1.0? (WAS: Re: CLLv1.1 goes out on Monday, 12 Oct 2015) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3875_1793392745.1585426184352" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_3875_1793392745.1585426184352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Em s=C3=A1bado, 28 de mar=C3=A7o de 2020 08:52:27 UTC+3, scope845hlang343jb= o@icebubble.org escreveu: > I was just comparing the new edition of the official Lojban Reference > Grammar (CLL v1.1) with my annotated(/corrected) bound copy of the > book... and I find myself rather disappointed. A few of the errors in > v1.0 were corrected, but most of the errors, omissions, ambiguities, and > confusing passages in v1.0 were retained in v1.1. I had hoped that > these errors would be caught, and that the new edition of the CLL would > be clear, correct, and intelligible. >=20 > Here's just one example off the top of my head: In section 10.4, both > CLLv1.0 and v1.1 state that a temporal tense is expressed before a > spatial tense. But the formal grammar (EBNF Rule 972, yacc Rule 979) > allows them to occur in either order. The text is still wrong. And > there are many other examples. >=20 > Could anyone tell me why all these problems weren't corrected in CLL > v1.1? Because those who publish the CLL are not superbeings? Hint: continue unoff= icially at https://lojban.pw in a hope that the officials catch up. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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