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From: uakci <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 20:39:43 +0200
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why Lojban fails
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I would=E2=80=99ve agreed, but neither logic nor linguistics are alchemy. L=
ojban
has succeeded as a language that people use to communicate, but as a
project, it fails to meet the requirements as it stands now. From a
bird=E2=80=99s-eye view, this might not be so apparent, but then you realiz=
e that
so many little things are left undecided, like {ce=E2=80=99u} filling, exac=
t
semantics of FIhO, some grammatical quirks like {.y bu} and {zo .y}, and
the ever-present issue of overengineering=E2=80=A6

You could say that this is not a problem for Lojban, and I=E2=80=99d agree:=
 not for
Lojban as a language (or languages, since Lojban dialects tend to solve
these matters more elegantly and therefore amount to an advancement, not a
hindrance). But the overall project=E2=80=99s criteria have not yet been me=
t, and
thus it is still ongoing, which raises the question of why one should care
to believe in its completion provided that it=E2=80=99s over 30 years since=
 it was
founded. I, for one, prefer to stake my bets on a loglang project whose
development history =E2=80=94 track record =E2=80=94 and leadership do not =
foretell its
eventual abandonment.

=E2=80=94 M=E1=BB=89 H=E1=BB=8Fash=C4=AB j=C3=AD ka

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 19:54, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Alchemists pursued what appeared to be nonexistent. Still they found a lo=
t
> of gems during their research.
>
> So whatever goals Loglan or Lojban had in past it's fine in present as it
> is.
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">I would=E2=80=99ve agreed, but neither logic nor lin=
guistics are alchemy. Lojban has succeeded as a language that people use to=
 communicate, but as a project, it fails to meet the requirements as it sta=
nds now. From a bird=E2=80=99s-eye view, this might not be so apparent, but=
 then you realize that so many little things are left undecided, like {ce=
=E2=80=99u} filling, exact semantics of FIhO, some grammatical quirks like =
{.y bu} and {zo .y}, and the ever-present issue of overengineering=E2=80=A6=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You could say that this=
 is not a problem for Lojban, and I=E2=80=99d agree: not for Lojban as a la=
nguage (or languages, since Lojban dialects tend to solve these matters mor=
e elegantly and therefore amount to an advancement, not a hindrance). But t=
he overall project=E2=80=99s criteria have not yet been met, and thus it is=
 still ongoing, which raises the question of why one should care to believe=
 in its completion provided that it=E2=80=99s over 30 years since it was fo=
unded. I, for one, prefer to stake my bets on a loglang project whose devel=
opment history =E2=80=94 track record =E2=80=94 and leadership do not foret=
ell its eventual abandonment.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">=E2=80=94 M=E1=BB=89 H=E1=BB=8Fash=C4=AB j=C3=AD ka</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 19:54, Gleki=
 Arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.nam=
e@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">Alchemists pursued what appeared to be nonexistent.=
 Still they found a lot of gems during their research.<br>
<br>
So whatever goals Loglan or Lojban had in past it&#39;s fine in present as =
it is.<br>
<br>
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