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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why Lojban fails
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Em domingo, 12 de abril de 2020 00:24:22 UTC+3, uakci escreveu:
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> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 22:45, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>=
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>> I wouldn't say it's incomplete. I would just say it failed to meet its=
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>> goals.
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> Well, then that makes it a complete failure. :P
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>> And nevertheless the project lives on and the interest in it is non zero=
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>> despite all its failures which don't seem to bother fluent speakers a lo=
t.
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> I=E2=80=99m a fluent speaker and I=E2=80=99m bothered.=20
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I mean if you are fluent you can't be bothered or else you are not fluent.
If the language works there is no problem.
Unless this is not what one was intending it to work.
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> And I know many Lojbanists (most of which prefer to stay out of this=20
> community to preserve their sanity) who are bothered too.
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> =E2=80=94 Mi Hoashi etc.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Em domingo, 12 de abril de 2020 00:24:22 UTC+3, ua=
kci  escreveu:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><br></div><=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at =
22:45, Gleki Arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;mailto:glek=
i.is.my.name@gmail.com&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;mailt=
o:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com&#39;;return true;">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I wouldn&#39;t say i=
t&#39;s incomplete. I would just say it failed to meet its goals.</blockquo=
te><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Well, then that makes it a=
 complete failure. :P</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
And nevertheless the project lives on and the interest in it is non zero de=
spite all its failures which don&#39;t seem to bother fluent speakers a lot=
.</blockquote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m a f=
luent speaker and I=E2=80=99m bothered. </div></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>I mean if you are fluent you can&#39;t be bothered or else =
you are not fluent.</div><div>If the language works there is no problem.</d=
iv><div>Unless this is not what one was intending it to work.</div><div>=C2=
=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-le=
ft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto">And I know many Lojbanists (most of whic=
h prefer to stay out of this community to preserve their sanity) who are bo=
thered too.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=E2=80=94 Mi=
 Hoashi etc.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><br>
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