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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Gismu in need of place structure extensions
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Somewhat OT, but whatever:

lojbab:

> [...] it changes the nature of the underlying relationship/predication. 
>  To allow that would destroy one of the fundamental logical parts of the 
> language, which is that even if a place is elided, it is still implicitly a 
> part of the predication/relationship. 
>

Which has just reminded me of why the problem (nabmi be mi) of connecting 
predicates with JE bugs me so much. Usage seems to disregard all 
non-explicit places in that very common kind of construction. Provocatively 
speaking, when we uphold 'one of the fundamental logical parts of the 
languages', CLL 12.12 {ti blanu je zdani} is nonsense.

Yes, I brought this up 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban-beginners/wZZu2LjksLE/JfcszCvyFKYJ> 
before 
<https://mw-live.lojban.org/papri/Talk:BPFK_Section:_Logical_Connectives>. 
Sorry, please ignore here if inappropriate.

iesk

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Somewhat OT, but whatever:</div><div><br></div><div>l=
ojbab:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-lef=
t: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">[...] it changes t=
he nature of the underlying relationship/predication. =C2=A0To allow that w=
ould destroy one of the=20
fundamental logical parts of the language, which is that even if a place=20
is elided, it is still implicitly a part of the predication/relationship.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Which has just reminded me of why=20
the problem (nabmi be mi) of connecting predicates with JE bugs me so=20
much. Usage seems to disregard all non-explicit places in that very=20
common kind of construction. Provocatively speaking, when we uphold &#39;on=
e
 of the fundamental logical parts of the languages&#39;, CLL 12.12 {ti blan=
u
 je zdani} is nonsense.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I <a href=3D"https://=
groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban-beginners/wZZu2LjksLE/JfcszCvyFKYJ">br=
ought this up</a> <a href=3D"https://mw-live.lojban.org/papri/Talk:BPFK_Sec=
tion:_Logical_Connectives">before</a>. Sorry, please ignore here if inappro=
priate.</div><div><br></div><div>iesk<br></div></div>

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