Received: from mail-yb1-f190.google.com ([209.85.219.190]:36279) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jtSbW-00050y-Ay for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:12:34 -0700 Received: by mail-yb1-f190.google.com with SMTP id x8sf2161189ybt.3 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:12:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=PvaG3uvoP91M+FOLvbWQMWxY6D7xPSL8Cl4KM6fUrCg=; b=Xa15QfSVNyUgtR3ZQol9AAS6mNHILqzds7etHXHjdIMjmQeDolPRkXVT9B1UCCLj/b +vnTEFQ0iVDnd/SFdw1tLl/Zu+41NI8t8kcCXj9p5OCKdUAyQ2nSR/Zoph7C+s1CkG8r uFrunhVMM+YM2yWctSuKfP1ghq3Ek+7EN3fRxGFopEaAW1nQiW3HetoeZKzXVae2xd07 S7yFZB2YAWTrwIcjbmWPQcqnNFE7yQimLF3CQnb42b9sq3JFpihmVqm+nftS/qvk2u+k WPQE9R44+ZirrSU5ovD8a9MgB442/SZxO1N0uWEbmAQij0Kih4P23aXZsvxo+Or7R7HD iycQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=PvaG3uvoP91M+FOLvbWQMWxY6D7xPSL8Cl4KM6fUrCg=; b=rtAAcYvO9ZlFM4v2vV4OoJtH7N59YYxN63BqqQqzy2jCjXfoCrfvdTGHiOaxTMuCIY 6hKzusLoKy2abQZ3EQVMTbWSohwUictMeKUGD6o2NC5nxIba19v+Myn9GUCqsbtL49Tk j9gYv84oPo1VQr74w/Z4sKkPGft/SFGPHLm/57hux6uon03ag6Gu0wkoRcS79lYiPcxz yjMulZYp9WTL8O51CisCPdC4+W5CNQPfYsoFHz5M0C0cxU4TyL4n1H93bufbyNWNh4Yr 0w63bYwgdMotdX9b6/xSAXzNeRuCZInYa8krTMm1J8lshbUogtWvtE4wpt9e7M7M30Dz ByDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=PvaG3uvoP91M+FOLvbWQMWxY6D7xPSL8Cl4KM6fUrCg=; b=J0cI4eB0JDFK/1zo7oZrI3d3V+/XQmlq8H/kmJFfnfTy075B0NjGur2+23kcgwmMS2 tB/b2jtMG6BtEoQ88guMdK0bYbaFqPHwLs+NBKcSyWsx6b6mKT84ch0ZY0ojPiM3Sfd7 iIJgUDwvWX3quNlhQd9wqcmRXGmcesenTMs98i33Mw7akSysRlTkIczKBKPMCmV9TMiv 8UuPN7Dd7nR3Rdj/TBZ/Q1dbHMoTqRHwlIfnbiK9Z0yV7Hcehhm3FT7JxSNlQ5aG96RN vmTu9MnhaVz41onKDnvXVVDoiDxaaq6FE2+p7ZNtvuN4OS097ZmZesOIMjkMOZBqUP4R 4E9g== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532COuOaFvsf0l74ZoKQXhugk/4X9VuZrGVQb9asVD4hXgESAMTI 05iNldlNo6DFt6nSfWGZqU4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyzxVvvdpSzLdqSOSbujjCnWmfl3bhWzEp/fhoeEyWqSZ5DdSPG/7YG7Qu8+TceYp3nSDgulw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:1028:: with SMTP id x8mr60421098ybt.237.1594285941167; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 2002:a25:7003:: with SMTP id l3ls1881604ybc.2.gmail; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a5b:14a:: with SMTP id c10mr98532865ybp.493.1594285940625; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 02:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 02:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ie sk To: lojban Message-Id: <1681895a-a780-46f3-b721-ef5ac3cb8411o@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <00000000000001204505a8d7a580@google.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Digest for loj...@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1131_703750987.1594285939789" X-Original-Sender: seljbo@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_1131_703750987.1594285939789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ba'e pe'i Behind this lies a fundamental difference in understanding of what lujvo ar= e and how they work. Lujvo are vocabulary. A competent speaker of Lojban is= supposed to know them, not to decode them on the fly. Of course most vocab= ulary in any language is 'motivated', ie, related to other existing vocabul= ary in one (language-specific) way or the other. (You wouldn't want all new= words to created out of thin air=E2=80=93such things do happen, but rarely= .) And there are indeed parts of the language like, eg, '-gau' or '-bi'o', = that in practice work pretty much like derivational suffixes, so, as often,= things are not perfectly clear-cut.* But basically, we're supposed to know= our lujvo the same way we're supposed to know our gismu. (Nothing of this is new.) * A thorough 'mainstream' linguistic analysis of Lojban would be a fun thi= ng to read, but I'm under no illusions of such a thing happening any time s= oon. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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