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From: Jacob Thomas Errington To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Proof that Lojban morphology is unambiguous Message-ID: <20200803200414.76kso6gwhu2rnlig@renro> References: <86tuyhcx9s.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <865z9z7dyr.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bni3meuna3rwfzc2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <865z9z7dyr.fsf@cmarib.ramside> X-Spam-Score: -1.70 X-Original-Sender: jake@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 2001:41d0:2:863f:: as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- --bni3meuna3rwfzc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline I don't believe there is a proof out there, but it is by no means taboo to question whether Lojban actually achieves its stated goals. To prove that the morphology is unambiguous, one would have to write an algorithm that accepts an idealized representation of a speech stream and decomposes it into a sequence of words. The algorithm would not be able to consult a dictionary to do so. If you're interested in working on this, I'd be interested in hearing about it. mu'o mi'e la tsani On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 06:59:24PM +0000, scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org wrote: > scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org writes: > > > Does anybody have access to a proof, or know how to prove, that Lojban's > > morphology is unambiguous? > > > > I was corresponding with lojbab, for a while, about this and he assured > > me that the unambiguity of Lojban's morphology had been proven > > analytically. But when I asked him for his analytical methods/proof, he > > stopped responding to me. :( > > > > Does anybody know where this information can be found? It would be much > > appreciated. > > Is it taboo to question the non-ambiguity of the Lojban morphology? I > can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone about this. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/865z9z7dyr.fsf%40cmarib.ramside. -- Jacob Thomas Errington W: https://jerrington.me/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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