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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nl1si37701pjb.1.2020.08.04.09.41.33 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.236 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k300K-0005Ml-8K for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:41:32 -0700 Received: from omta013.useast.a.cloudfilter.net ([34.195.253.204]:48601) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k300I-0005MU-Gi for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:41:32 -0700 Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.147]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 2vVWk81aF1rmw300BklHB7; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 16:41:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([98.169.231.197]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id 300Ak9aU43DyJ300BksGvI; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 16:41:23 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=UZLv9IeN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=5f298fb3 a=mHtBcADuHV9GrmOpe4Y2YQ==:117 a=mHtBcADuHV9GrmOpe4Y2YQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=vILaU3Qw06HuNAzLvFIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 From: Bob LeChevalier Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Proof that Lojban morphology is unambiguous To: Lojban List References: <86tuyhcx9s.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <865z9z7dyr.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <20200803200414.76kso6gwhu2rnlig@renro> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 12:41:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200803200414.76kso6gwhu2rnlig@renro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfFj2g6y9DtIx3WJfedk+8bv6rEPs3kHoUKr0GSCKiQupI4RDe/H4CawZH4x1ZQZQ1XPWjn68ZzrO9uctkcxRDX4T/TICAfAy1QzemuHsPoIxm5xd/U8u E36iPYvN9x9j+7L2U957QQo0x0IVRiQKnxakwXpbvL38SVT72dVqDRQGY1OC33GOelTBAUDluGaKvQ== X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.236 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mailfrom=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- On 8/3/2020 4:04 PM, Jacob Thomas Errington wrote: > I don't believe there is a proof out there, but it is by no means > taboo to question whether Lojban actually achieves its stated goals. > > To prove that the morphology is unambiguous, one would have to write > an algorithm that accepts an idealized representation of a speech > stream and decomposes it into a sequence of words. The algorithm would > not be able to consult a dictionary to do so. > > If you're interested in working on this, I'd be interested in hearing > about it. > > mu'o mi'e la tsani Nora also noticed that Pierre (phma) has his own effort at a wordbreaking algorithm, "valfendi" on github. We are not sure where it fits relative to brkwords put probably was later, though preceding whatever was incorporated in camxes (one of the attempted post YACC parsers which IIRC tried to handle speech streams) lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/df6b1b64-74e9-d147-9fcb-5fba3ecf56d9%40lojban.org.