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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s18si1284328otp.4.2020.08.04.09.57.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.236 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k30Fc-00060v-Ck for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:57:20 -0700 Received: from omta011.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net ([35.164.127.234]:54116) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k30Fb-00060e-0q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:57:20 -0700 Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.16.145]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 2yEnkd8PcmUuy30FVk9zyV; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 16:57:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([98.169.231.197]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id 30FSkgwe9ggk630FUk6oDH; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 16:57:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=JpBPEO0C c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=5f299369 a=mHtBcADuHV9GrmOpe4Y2YQ==:117 a=mHtBcADuHV9GrmOpe4Y2YQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=80rmrIwpfYvzbzpc-VsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=iwh3BSu4myUNQlX_M7KP:22 From: Bob LeChevalier Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Proof that Lojban morphology is unambiguous To: Lojban List References: <86tuyhcx9s.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <865z9z7dyr.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <20200803200414.76kso6gwhu2rnlig@renro> Message-ID: <00c990f5-d32d-b0d5-e85b-9536da5b1349@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 12:57:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200803200414.76kso6gwhu2rnlig@renro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfHdcVjPbOw3QsdSb6hUkS0P6wj38V6KAYboULOu7zYIPtoDAWgxM8o6/0bZngaYCRWbrlhL+FtO9/WHQJfkmoQsqCHD0BLgNk2AKAVOtYHcvFWDCKiP/ 00iuysrfCwByzxrUSGG5pdjYvGOtV+MyZI3T20PNZQOt3Lb8+vRaIk39Xvve28EDCXxCrMDuT56Rvw== X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 173.13.139.236 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mailfrom=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- On 8/3/2020 4:04 PM, Jacob Thomas Errington wrote: > I don't believe there is a proof out there, but it is by no means > taboo to question whether Lojban actually achieves its stated goals. > > To prove that the morphology is unambiguous, one would have to write > an algorithm that accepts an idealized representation of a speech > stream and decomposes it into a sequence of words. The algorithm would > not be able to consult a dictionary to do so. > > If you're interested in working on this, I'd be interested in hearing > about it. Nora reminds me that she wrote such a program as part of our efforts on this. The program was called BRKWORDS and was written in Turbo-Pascal 3. It has some limitations on what it checks (permissible medials I think is one area, and it may not do the slinku'i test properly), but it does not consult a dictionary. It is up on the lojban.org website somewhere (Google on "BRKWORDS" gives several hits with discussion of the topic, and the same with .pas has the source code), or she can supply her files to anyone who wishes to build on it. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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