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My question was about a predicate "blalaseta =3D x1 is a member o= f=20 set x2 in property x3" but it should probably be extended to "x1 is a=20 member of x2 (set of elements of the same type as x1) in property x3 (ka,= =20 property of each element of x2) to the degree x4 (li, belongs [-1:1])". Then x4=3Dli ni'u pa would be equal to x3=3Dli pa but with x3 having the=20 predicate of the property inverted with {na}. Or alternatively, x4 could be= =20 limited to [0:1]. Additionally, x5=3Depistemology could be added or it all= =20 could be split into something like=20 A boi S boi P boi J boi E blalaseta =3D> J jei Aboi Sboi Pboi ckini* kei be= E=20 (obviously ckini needs a bit of pretuning) =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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E= m quinta-feira, 24 de setembro de 2020 =C3=A0s 20:57:32 UTC+3, Corbin Simps= on escreveu:
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la gleki asks in private communication whether I've figured out fuz= zy set theory semantics.
...
In the framing set up = so far, la gleki's central question for me was whether we can have a selbri= with a structure like "x1 is an element of fuzzy set x2 with probability/g= rade x3".


somewhat. My= question was about a predicate "blalaseta =3D x1 is a member of set x2 in = property x3"  but it should probably be extended to "x1 is a member of= x2 (set of elements of the same type as x1) in property x3 (ka, property o= f each element of x2) to the degree x4 (li, belongs [-1:1])".
The= n x4=3Dli ni'u pa would be equal to x3=3Dli pa but with x3 having the predi= cate of the property inverted with {na}. Or alternatively, x4 could be limi= ted to [0:1]. Additionally, x5=3Depistemology could be added or it all coul= d be split into something like 

A boi S boi P= boi J boi E blalaseta =3D> J jei Aboi Sboi Pboi ckini* kei be E 
(obviously ckini needs a bit of pretuning)


  

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