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[2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2si576421pfr.4.2020.12.17.20.06.50 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org designates 2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b; Received: from petunia by icebubble.org with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1kq77n-00010o-45 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 04:12:15 +0000 Received: from rusat by cmarib.ramside with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1kq64C-0005Pf-6F for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 03:04:28 +0000 From: scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] Reasoning by analogy Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 03:04:28 +0000 Message-ID: <86o8iru85f.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org designates 2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- As imprecise human beings saddled with the inheritance of natural language, much of what we say involves reasoning by analogy. For example: "You can learn to walk on your hands just like you learn to walk on your feet." How would you express such a notion in Lojban? The English suggests that the method of learning (perhaps {ta'i} or {xelcli}) is the same in both instances, but there is also an implication: IF you can learn to walk on your feet, THEN you can also learn to walk on your hands. In Lojban, I might render this: do cilre fi lonu do cadzu fi lei do jamfu kei ku fu da .inaja do cilre fi lonu do cadzu fi lei do xance kei ku fu da or even ta'i da do cilre fi lonu do cadzu fi lei do jamfu .inaja ta'i da do cilre fi lonu do cadzu fi lei do xance But that only works if there happens to be a FA place or BAI cmavo that expresses the common property of the analogy (in this case, the method of learning). And it requires that I express that property explicitly. In some instances, there might not be a BAI cmavo, or a {FIhO SE BRODA} tag, suitable to express it. Or, I might just want to elide the relationship, and leave the relationship implicit. I could use {do'e}: do'e da do cilre fi lonu do cadzu fi lei do jamfu .inaja do'e da do cilre fi lonu do cadzu fi lei do xance But this still strikes me as kind of clumsy. Is there a neater way to express reasoning by analogy, like this, in Lojban? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/86o8iru85f.fsf%40cmarib.ramside.