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[2001:41d0:2:863f::]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i22si1134229ljj.8.2021.01.02.07.30.12 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 02 Jan 2021 07:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 2001:41d0:2:863f:: as permitted sender) client-ip=2001:41d0:2:863f::; Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {zo'e} To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <2914956.R1SSoXq267@puma> <3057250.gkAYTAapcS@puma> <86v9djg26p.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <517f4985-4f82-495b-9b07-e03210186403n@googlegroups.com> <86wnwwcl2t.fsf@cmarib.ramside> X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Jacob Thomas Errington Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86wnwwcl2t.fsf@cmarib.ramside> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Migadu-Auth-User: jake@mail.jerrington.me Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 15:30:11 GMT X-Original-Sender: jake@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mail.jerrington.me header.s=default header.b=VAYd0vD+; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 2001:41d0:2:863f:: as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- On 2021-01-01 18:07, scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org wrote: > I think just about all of that is wrong. {zo'e} can never mean {zi'o} > but {zo'e} can, in certain contexts, mean {noda}. If you and I are in a > brightly-lit room when the power goes out and it's suddenly plunged into > pitch-black darkness, I might reasonably utter the observative: > > viska > > meaning, in that context, "I can't see anything!", {mi viska noda}. {mi viska noda} is the same as {mi na viska su'o da}, so if what you're saying is true, then we can't know except through context whether a statement is affirmative or negative. Instead, use the observative {na viska}. A zo'e-like word (e.g. do'e, xo'e, etc.) shouln't be able to stand for something that makes the claim go from affirmative to negative or vice versa. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/b5b761ef-45fb-12d2-5592-73745736b33f%40mail.jerrington.me.