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[2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16si210755wrn.1.2021.01.06.16.39.59 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jan 2021 16:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org designates 2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b; Received: from petunia by icebubble.org with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1kxJR3-0001EQ-HI for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:45:53 +0000 Received: from rusat by cmarib.ramside with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1kxDAo-0006yL-Vt for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 18:04:43 +0000 From: scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] Re: {zo'e} References: <2914956.R1SSoXq267@puma> <3057250.gkAYTAapcS@puma> <86v9djg26p.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <517f4985-4f82-495b-9b07-e03210186403n@googlegroups.com> <86wnwwcl2t.fsf@cmarib.ramside> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 18:04:32 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Jacob Thomas Errington's message of "Sat, 02 Jan 2021 15:30:11 GMT") Message-ID: <86sg7ehrgv.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org designates 2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- Jacob Thomas Errington writes: > {mi viska noda} is the same as {mi na viska su'o da}, so if what > you're saying is true, then we can't know except through context > whether a statement is affirmative or negative. Instead, use the > observative {na viska}. > > A zo'e-like word (e.g. do'e, xo'e, etc.) shouln't be able to stand for > something that makes the claim go from affirmative to negative or vice > versa. If we use your interpretation, then {mi viska zo'e} could mean {mi viska lo nanmu} but could not mean {mi viska lo na nanmu}. It seems, to me, that {lo na nanmu} would be a perfectly legitimate meaning for {zo'e}. zo do'e ki'a -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/86sg7ehrgv.fsf%40cmarib.ramside.