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{lo na nanmu} is still a thing (that is, it's still compatible with {su'o
da} and not with {no da}), so there's no problem with {zo'e} reflecting it.
It's a thing that doesn't {nanmu}, but it still has to be something. {lo na
nanmu} successfully killed the Witch-King of Angmar.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:40 PM <scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org> wrote:

> Jacob Thomas Errington <jake@mail.jerrington.me> writes:
>
> > {mi viska noda} is the same as {mi na viska su'o da}, so if what
> > you're saying is true, then we can't know except through context
> > whether a statement is affirmative or negative. Instead, use the
> > observative {na viska}.
> >
> > A zo'e-like word (e.g. do'e, xo'e, etc.) shouln't be able to stand for
> > something that makes the claim go from affirmative to negative or vice
> > versa.
>
> If we use your interpretation, then {mi viska zo'e} could mean {mi viska
> lo nanmu} but could not mean {mi viska lo na nanmu}.  It seems, to me,
> that {lo na nanmu} would be a perfectly legitimate meaning for {zo'e}.
>
> zo do'e ki'a
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">{lo na nanmu} is still a thing (that is, it&#39;s still co=
mpatible=C2=A0with {su&#39;o da} and not with {no da}), so there&#39;s no p=
roblem with {zo&#39;e} reflecting it. It&#39;s a thing that doesn&#39;t {na=
nmu}, but it still has to be something. {lo na nanmu} successfully killed t=
he Witch-King of Angmar.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:40 PM &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org">scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.or=
g</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>Jacob Thomas Errington &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jake@mail.jerrington.me" targ=
et=3D"_blank">jake@mail.jerrington.me</a>&gt; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; {mi viska noda} is the same as {mi na viska su&#39;o da}, so if what<b=
r>
&gt; you&#39;re saying is true, then we can&#39;t know except through conte=
xt<br>
&gt; whether a statement is affirmative or negative. Instead, use the<br>
&gt; observative {na viska}.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A zo&#39;e-like word (e.g. do&#39;e, xo&#39;e, etc.) shouln&#39;t be a=
ble to stand for<br>
&gt; something that makes the claim go from affirmative to negative or vice=
<br>
&gt; versa.<br>
<br>
If we use your interpretation, then {mi viska zo&#39;e} could mean {mi visk=
a<br>
lo nanmu} but could not mean {mi viska lo na nanmu}.=C2=A0 It seems, to me,=
<br>
that {lo na nanmu} would be a perfectly legitimate meaning for {zo&#39;e}.<=
br>
<br>
zo do&#39;e ki&#39;a<br>
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