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On 1/8/21 1:17 PM, Corbin Simpson wrote:
coi

I wanted to follow up on a point of la tsani's from the thread "Reasoning by analogy". The point is raised that perhaps {bu'a} is not very useful.

I think I recall (the?) one time I felt a use for {bu'a}, but I did have to have it explained to me that {ro bu'a zo'u} doesn't mean "for all things that bu'a" but rather "for all predicates bu'a," which is an exception to the usual rules=E2=80=94precisely bec= ause otherwise it's hard to use {bu'a}!


Esther 8:1: "For she (Esther) had told him (Ahasuerus) what he (Mordecai) was to her [viz. her cousin]"


.i .ebu pu cusku fi .abu fe lo du'u my bu'akau .ebu


I guess it doesn't need the quantification after all (this originally occurred to me before the invention of {kau}, I think.)=C2=A0 Does there need to be some quantification anyway, though?=C2=A0 To mean some particular implied (ellipsized) relationship, and not some random one like {viska} or {te djuno} or something?


~mark

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