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From: Jacob Thomas Errington Message-ID: <45079bb5-8d9c-982a-1dc9-c4c993cf3262@mail.jerrington.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86o8hs5vq0.fsf@cmarib.ramside> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Migadu-Auth-User: jake@mail.jerrington.me Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:21:04 GMT X-Original-Sender: jake@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mail.jerrington.me header.s=default header.b=r+NgyGhW; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 2001:41d0:2:863f:: as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- On 2021-01-13 17:16, scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org wrote: > Jacob Thomas Errington writes: > >> =C2=A0 {mi viska lo na nanmu} is an affirmative statement, that I see >> something that satisfies (the negative) {na nanmu}. > By your interpretation, would the following two bridi mean the same > thing? > > .i mi viska lo na nanmu > > .i mi viska lo na'e nanmu > > They'd both be saying that you see something other than a man. > No, these have interpretations that are different, based on how {na} and=20 {na'e} are different. Both statements are however affirmative. For example, {lo karce na nanmu} seems pretty reasonable. {lo karce cu=20 na'e nanmu} on the other hand is much stranger. {na'e} is a scalar=20 negation, so we have to imagine some scale on which to put "nanmu" and=20 then imagine what the opposite of that is. So maybe it means something=20 more like "unmasculine" as opposed to plainly "not a man". So if I said, {mi viska lo na nanmu} that just means I saw something=20 that is not a man. Maybe a car, or a dog, or a chair. But if I said {mi=20 viska lo na'e nanmu}, I think the interpretation would be that I saw=20 someone who appears unmasculine in some way. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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