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> =E2=80=A2 [B1] {naku mi tirna su'o da}
> I don't hear anything.
>
> =E2=80=A2 [C1] {(da'o) naku mi tirna ko'a}
> I don't hear [whatever it is I don't hear].

I think the equivalence should be =E2=9F=AAsu'o da zo'u naku mi tirna da=E2=
=9F=AB =3D=20
=E2=9F=AA(da'o) naku mi tirna ko'a=E2=9F=AB (as top-level sentences), i.e. =
with =E2=9F=AAsu'o=20
da=E2=9F=AB taking the topmost scope. Actually it should even scope over th=
e=20
illocution of the sentence (i.e. assertion, question, command=E2=80=A6),=20
because, as you shown in your example sentences with the interrogative=20
illocutionary marker =E2=9F=AAxu=E2=9F=AB, =E2=9F=AAda=E2=9F=AB is bound un=
der the scope of =E2=9F=AAxu=E2=9F=AB, unlike=20
=E2=9F=AAko'a=E2=9F=AB. A better equivalence would therefore be:
=E2=9F=AAca'e mi do brireisku be lo ka (ce'u) jezyje'u lo du'u do tirna *ko=
'a*=E2=9F=AB
=3D =E2=9F=AAca'e *su'o da zo'u* mi do brireisku be lo ka (ce'u) jezyje'u l=
o du'u=20
do tirna *da*=E2=9F=AB

As for the interpretation of =E2=9F=AAzo'e=E2=9F=AB as a function as you su=
ggested, this=20
is reminiscent of the experimental cmavo =E2=9F=AA*zo'ei=20
<https://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zo'ei>*=E2=9F=AB, by the way.

=E2=80=94Ilmen.


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      <blockquote type=3D"cite"
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        <div>=E2=80=A2 [B1] {naku mi tirna su'o da}</div>
        <div>I don't hear anything.<br>
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        <div> =E2=80=A2 [C1] {(da'o) naku mi tirna ko'a}</div>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
          <div>I don't hear [whatever it is I don't hear].</div>
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      <p>I think the equivalence should be =E2=9F=AAsu'o da zo'u naku mi ti=
rna
        da=E2=9F=AB =3D =E2=9F=AA(da'o) naku mi tirna ko'a=E2=9F=AB (as top=
-level sentences), i.e.
        with =E2=9F=AAsu'o da=E2=9F=AB taking the topmost scope. Actually i=
t should even
        scope over the illocution of the sentence (i.e. assertion,
        question, command=E2=80=A6), because, as you shown in your example
        sentences with the interrogative illocutionary marker =E2=9F=AAxu=
=E2=9F=AB, =E2=9F=AAda=E2=9F=AB
        is bound under the scope of =E2=9F=AAxu=E2=9F=AB, unlike =E2=9F=AAk=
o'a=E2=9F=AB. A better
        equivalence would therefore be:<br>
        =E2=9F=AAca'e mi do brireisku be lo ka (ce'u) jezyje'u lo du'u do t=
irna
        <b>ko'a</b>=E2=9F=AB<br>
        =3D =E2=9F=AAca'e <b>su'o da zo'u</b> mi do brireisku be lo ka (ce'=
u)
        jezyje'u lo du'u do tirna <b>da</b>=E2=9F=AB</p>
      <p>As for the interpretation of =E2=9F=AAzo'e=E2=9F=AB as a function =
as you
        suggested, this is reminiscent of the experimental cmavo =E2=9F=AA<=
b><a
            moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
            href=3D"https://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/zo'ei">zo'ei</a></b>=
=E2=9F=AB,
        by the way.<br>
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      <p>=E2=80=94Ilmen.</p>
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