Return-path: Envelope-to: lojban-list-archive@lojban.org Delivery-date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:20 -0700 Received: from mail-ot1-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]:48685) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1lrUoU-00CHEG-LD for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:20 -0700 Received: by mail-ot1-f56.google.com with SMTP id i25-20020a9d4a990000b0290304f00e3e3asf866806otf.15 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=FJVlKerUkCxQgfhYbu91UK1ARYYf8k3272/iVtWYV3w=; b=O57WU6W5l+0aVqWxEe/UvJacZeYap5QycoQWkzKoXGPk1vD8mCrU3xgZ+6OzbIcwIR hvE4OrRsDIQC1J8Qbl38ZNc3JYdN8lbQ8pFGxCuWfrpjQ8vFviBnywzbxN+3L6pVEgvz eLbAyAYdB0kwT4a85V+4xo6WtNjf8gPHwOeEICHqkQj2fQqxDrnmGrn4v2AupvTMElwv /DuLYJPK2wKgaNimDW+LCsEIdz+wrB5+V7sscnL4Q91rwBJ/cszqqRuUxAPHGur279XZ kW2F2O3fZ0ERBD+s3CX4Fm/WIhpozRuyYaJScGomy2x2Qz5KY7V31fy/KUYXEmmCyKK2 +UqA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=FJVlKerUkCxQgfhYbu91UK1ARYYf8k3272/iVtWYV3w=; b=KjUzDkJ3REyu3xBRIGXRML1otlaiSNJx2lZUwB9a6RbvTbBNeW66B0uTkof4oxSErn UgqDLtnSW2R+qY/I2lZP9LGgTHS68fLErs6lEksBNVvYxf4yhnyV401T29gff7ZsJaEV 2GfPC1eQi00aAoismpI9jLQ18m0j7z0FDwqIFR0z3IiSztoUNjh3Ujgs4g6090kW6TTd xlEZJp2+Dw33GKJCSHZxXwYPNVIP9qxzkg35cSVLdGl5TDatU9mn/fuWD0z0qsuGaGi+ v5jTlsBmkucaLnQhCHXPBR54TOZ6mLyrP4dszZ5vmJKiwXBi0JVH8APWj8X59z/NGLvs zSKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=FJVlKerUkCxQgfhYbu91UK1ARYYf8k3272/iVtWYV3w=; b=VjXnQtOJLn8LbhnBPIFzyqkqNeuFUPV1ZyGShXUEF5QrjRINrszp7npK7mHqrThndh e6xrPLbYyKQwXwM2soh17yudkq2EKiUEEJCWeIg5Cz1tQwB1ALvKYld6SID9b1Tuc2Qm 2oVHbYxHImrMyfhLTPiNTVEl1EBXWygCpj5p/uHdz6w+UXqAC9iBPfAtkwIwC4+Bnmlo AAppv/sVscYuZEZP9br2VBTddk1y+J8PDabiqQLbvC7qcUCt8fzijyZYNdia71mXAtAH lUHFJsqmkgY8ejcWmrqXhwsbby4SXRxE5VNzuybP0L5esHec8e0Q95H2lRC9hz17gugk /JDw== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531yK+5lVFWU6LhBE/kWNEN9OHxI+VVXlkQAfTpoJo/mzBzbKPD0 fmJrmb177X2Apgk8GJIIWOI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCRb0W0GpcjrFRIAFwYeNNoaOw0eD/Hc7/fGKgl9wUdAFngooHyl2UymgeF3WNXDaJS6Dx0g== X-Received: by 2002:a4a:3796:: with SMTP id r144mr818174oor.79.1623370457324; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 2002:a4a:c595:: with SMTP id x21ls639943oop.8.gmail; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a4a:d781:: with SMTP id c1mr827741oou.23.1623370456838; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Broman To: lojban Message-Id: <2069336b-a422-4034-b088-174a44f57721n@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3cb1fc04-c3d0-3535-099e-30b8b120f219@gmx.de> References: <3cb1fc04-c3d0-3535-099e-30b8b120f219@gmx.de> Subject: [lojban] Re: A Simpler Quantifier Logic (blog article) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_382_1160026226.1623370456619" X-Original-Sender: vpbroman@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_382_1160026226.1623370456619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_383_1151957998.1623370456619" ------=_Part_383_1151957998.1623370456619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After re-reading la selpahi's excellent article on plural quantification, I= =20 became curious how much of a problem there was with collective or=20 non-distributive sumti places. Does that just come up with jmaji, simxu, and a few others, or is it=20 pervasive? So I went thru the whole gimste and decided which places seemed=20 non-distributive and found 143, listed in the attachment. As I think PC pointed out, there were a good number of cases where usage=20 might go either way depending on context. All the "under conditions" places might qualify, except I don't understand= =20 the meaning of that, yet. Any one take a similar look at what places distribute? mihe la bremenli On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 5:09:59 AM UTC-7 selpa'i wrote: > In this article I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic=20 > currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20 > problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20 > solution that addresses both. > > Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20 > introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the= =20 > move from singular logic to plural logic. > > Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they=20 > are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable. > > https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantifier-logic/ > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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After re-reading la selpahi's excellent article on plural quantificati= on, I became curious how much of a problem there was with collective or non= -distributive sumti places.
Does that just come up with jmaji, si= mxu, and a few others, or is it pervasive?
So I went thru the who= le gimste and decided which places seemed non-distributive and found 143, l= isted in the attachment.
As I think PC pointed out, there were a = good number of cases where usage might go either way depending on context.<= /div>
All the "under conditions" places might qualify, except I don't u= nderstand the meaning of that, yet.

Any one take a= similar look at what places distribute?

mihe la b= remenli

On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 5:09:59 AM UTC-7 selpa'i wrot= e:
In this ar= ticle I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic=20
currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20
problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20
solution that addresses both.

Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20
introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the= =20
move from singular logic to plural logic.

Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they= =20
are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.

https://solpahi.wordpress.c= om/2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantifier-logic/

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