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Em sexta-feira, 11 de junho de 2021 =C3=A0s 03:14:18 UTC+3, Vincent Broman= =20 escreveu: > After re-reading la selpahi's excellent article on plural quantification,= =20 > I became curious how much of a problem there was with collective or=20 > non-distributive sumti places. > Does that just come up with jmaji, simxu, and a few others, or is it=20 > pervasive? > So I went thru the whole gimste and decided which places seemed=20 > non-distributive and found 143, listed in the attachment. > As I think PC pointed out, there were a good number of cases where usage= =20 > might go either way depending on context. > All the "under conditions" places might qualify, except I don't understan= d=20 > the meaning of that, yet. > > Any one take a similar look at what places distribute? > > mihe la bremenli > > On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 5:09:59 AM UTC-7 selpa'i wrote: > >> In this article I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic=20 >> currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20 >> problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20 >> solution that addresses both.=20 >> >> Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20 >> introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the= =20 >> move from singular logic to plural logic.=20 >> >> Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they= =20 >> are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.=20 >> >> https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantifier-logic/=20 >> >> ---=20 >> Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft.= =20 >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus=20 >> >> --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= lojban/2b2e15fe-2d2b-4464-b952-aaba36a28a0an%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_329_1771101078.1623503017628 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tilju1 is non-distrubutive? why? because of this ambiguous notion of "mass"= or what?

Em sexta-feira, 11 de junho de 2021 =C3=A0s 03:14:18 UTC+3, Vincent= Broman escreveu:
After re-reading la selpahi's excellent article on plural qua= ntification, I became curious how much of a problem there was with collecti= ve or non-distributive sumti places.
Does that just come up with = jmaji, simxu, and a few others, or is it pervasive?
So I went thr= u the whole gimste and decided which places seemed non-distributive and fou= nd 143, listed in the attachment.
As I think PC pointed out, ther= e were a good number of cases where usage might go either way depending on = context.
All the "under conditions" places might qualif= y, except I don't understand the meaning of that, yet.

Any one take a similar look at what places distribute?
<= br>
mihe la bremenli

On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 5:09:59 AM= UTC-7 selpa'i wrote:
In this article I will take a closer look at the quantifier logic=20
currently present in (post-xorlo) Lojban. I will identify logical=20
problems as well as practical disadvantages. Finally, I will offer a=20
solution that addresses both.

Not only is the current system both impractical and unintuitive, its=20
introduction also left behind one major logical flaw as Lojban made the= =20
move from singular logic to plural logic.

Read on to find out what singular logic and plural logic are, how they= =20
are related to xorlo, and why the current situation is not tenable.

https://solpahi.wordpress.c= om/2016/09/25/a-simpler-quantifier-logic/

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