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From: Robin Powell <robinleepowell@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:01:08 -0700
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Should I just shut mailman off? (lojban.org infra question)
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Yes, of course.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 00:17 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Those mailing lists will still have archives retained at mail.lojban.org
> or something, right?
>
> Em ter., 14 de set. de 2021 =C3=A0s 04:44, Robin Lee Powell <
> robinleepowell@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>>
>> I'm working very hard right now to stop being a bus-factor=3D1 Lojban
>> sysadmin (in case that makes no sense:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor#Definition ).  I have been
>> *very* actively working on updating and containerizing all the
>> lojban.org infrastructure, with the end goal of making a series of
>> videos that would let anyone with a master password manage any of
>> the Lojban infrastructure I run, even in the event of my house
>> exploding.
>>
>> A thing that is taking a surprising amount of effort is mailman,
>> which is the mailing list management software I run for y'all.  This
>> is used for the following lists:
>>
>> Kabal
>> Lojban-fr
>> llg-board
>> Llg-members
>> Lojban-de
>> Lojban-es
>> Lojban-fr
>>
>> Note that this does *not* include the two major public lists,
>> https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list and
>> https://groups.google.com/g/lojban
>>
>> The only ones that have had any significant traffic in a long time
>> are llg-board and llg-members.
>>
>> None have received any traffic of consequence since 2019, and it
>> looks like the board and members stuff is now happening on
>> mattermost.
>>
>> It would be *significantly* easier for me to just turn the whole
>> thing off, leaving read-only archives.
>>
>> Having said that, I *do* have new mailman infrastructure working, so
>> I could leave it running.
>>
>> What do people think the right move is here?
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Yes, of course.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 00:17 Gleki Ar=
xokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Those mailing lists will still have archives retained at=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"http://mail.lojban.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mail.lojba=
n.org</a> or something, right?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Em ter., 14 de set. de 2021 =C3=A0s 04:44, Ro=
bin Lee Powell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robinleepowell@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">robinleepowell@gmail.com</a>&gt; escreveu:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I&#39;m working very hard right now to stop being a bus-factor=3D1 Lojban<b=
r>
sysadmin (in case that makes no sense:<br>
<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor#Definition" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_fact=
or#Definition</a> ).=C2=A0 I have been<br>
*very* actively working on updating and containerizing all the<br>
<a href=3D"http://lojban.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">lojban.org</a> infrastructure, with the end goal of making a series of<b=
r>
videos that would let anyone with a master password manage any of<br>
the Lojban infrastructure I run, even in the event of my house<br>
exploding.<br>
<br>
A thing that is taking a surprising amount of effort is mailman,<br>
which is the mailing list management software I run for y&#39;all.=C2=A0 Th=
is<br>
is used for the following lists:<br>
<br>
Kabal<br>
Lojban-fr<br>
llg-board<br>
Llg-members<br>
Lojban-de<br>
Lojban-es<br>
Lojban-fr<br>
<br>
Note that this does *not* include the two major public lists,<br>
<a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list" rel=3D"noreferrer norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list</a> and <a hre=
f=3D"https://groups.google.com/g/lojban" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/g/lojban</a><br>
<br>
The only ones that have had any significant traffic in a long time<br>
are llg-board and llg-members.<br>
<br>
None have received any traffic of consequence since 2019, and it<br>
looks like the board and members stuff is now happening on<br>
mattermost.<br>
<br>
It would be *significantly* easier for me to just turn the whole<br>
thing off, leaving read-only archives.<br>
<br>
Having said that, I *do* have new mailman infrastructure working, so<br>
I could leave it running.<br>
<br>
What do people think the right move is here?<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div>

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