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From: Jordan DeLong <fracture@allusion.net>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] pro-sumti question
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On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:12:44PM -0400, Nora LeChevalier wrote:
> At 01:22 PM 7/3/02 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> >On Tuesday 02 July 2002 21:23, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > > If I say
> > >
> > >       le gerku cu jersi le mlatu
> > >       <they> cu tatpi binxo
> > >
> > > What can I use for <they>?  I don't think "rera" or "reri" is quite
> > > right...  "ri .e ra" is a little bit lame, but the only thing I can
> > > think of.  Are there cmavo for this that I dunno about?
>=20
> Having read through the several replies, I have yet to see the following=
=20
> points raised:
>=20
> 1.  on "ri .e ra": My understanding is that "ri" would refer back to the=
=20
> last sumti, which is the cat.  Then, "ra" would refer back to the=20
> next-to-last sumti - the first being "ri", which is NOT permanently=20
> assigned, and so is available as a referent.  This makes "ra" refer again=
=20
> to the cat.  You could instead (though I don't recommend it) use "ri .e r=
u"=20
> or "ra .e ra".

IIRC, ri, ra and ru skip sumti of: ri ra ru ko'[aeiou] mi do ti ta tu ...
Additionally, "ra" !=3D "rixire".  ra just refers to a further-than-last
sumti, not the next to last.

I think re .e ra works, but it's still less desirable than using mei to
talk about the pair of sumti.

--=20
Jordan DeLong
fracture@allusion.net


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