From sentto-44114-14839-1028063099-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 14:05:31 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ZeBO-0005CS-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:05:30 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14839-1028063099-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2002 21:04:59 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 21:04:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 33892 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 21:04:58 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.6c.1ff5b30b (26117) for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6c.1ff5b30b.2a785974@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:04:52 EDT Subject: [lojban] Keys are our enemies Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6c.1ff5b30b.2a785974_boundary" X-archive-position: 369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_6c.1ff5b30b.2a785974_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Lojbab has noted, the words that were assigned to gismu for the convenience of Logflash are often (outside that program) a genuine block as much as a help. But they are now a fixture of Lojban. To undercut their influence, once the actual place-structure of gismu are learned, Lojbab suggested that we point out a number of other Lojban words that fit the "key" as well or better. This will also extend the list of lujvo in interesting ways. Herewith a few obvious cases -- for correction, expansion, and/or imitation and extention. Do join. "utter" {traji} in modifier position (a bad homonym). "banana" (slang) {xamseljibri} already exists "sad" {se kecti}, {pindi} (with words like speciment, etc.) "run" {sazri}, a classic. {to'espofu} (which seems backwards, semantically), {cmalyrirxe}, {pluta} and probably many more (said to be the most ambiguous word in English). "bundle" {bakfygasnu} and/or {bakfyzbasnu}, {kufryjgari} (or some such -- a bit more than "hug") "chalk" {bakrypilno} --part1_6c.1ff5b30b.2a785974_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Lojbab has noted, the words that were assigned to gismu for the convenience of Logflash are often (outside that program) a genuine block as much as a help. But they are now a fixture of Lojban. To undercut their influence, once the actual place-structure of gismu are learned, Lojbab suggested that we point out a number of other Lojban words that fit the "key" as well or better. This will also extend the list of lujvo in interesting ways.

Herewith a few obvious cases -- for correction, expansion, and/or imitation and extention. Do join.

"utter" {traji} in modifier position (a bad homonym).

"banana" (slang) {xamseljibri} already exists

"sad" {se kecti}, {pindi} (with words like speciment, etc.)

"run" {sazri}, a classic. {to'espofu} (which seems backwards, semantically), {cmalyrirxe}, {pluta} and probably many more (said to be the most ambiguous word in English).

"bundle" {bakfygasnu} and/or {bakfyzbasnu}, {kufryjgari} (or some such -- a bit more than "hug")

"chalk" {bakrypilno}

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