From sentto-44114-14927-1028674984-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Aug 06 16:03:37 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17cDMV-0003Ar-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:03:35 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14927-1028674984-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2002 23:03:04 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Aug 2002 23:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 17220 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2002 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.8b.1c158ef1 (4320) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8b.1c158ef1.2a81afa2@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:02:58 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] panje Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8b.1c158ef1.2a81afa2_boundary" X-archive-position: 457 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_8b.1c158ef1.2a81afa2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:33:10 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes: > a three-dimensional object that is full of holes throughout. The meanings > overlap (my bath sponge is both), but I don't see how the word is extended > to > corals, which belong to the Cnidaria and don't have holes throughout. Can > someone explain? What should we call sponges, in the Porifera sense? What > should we call corals? > Maybe it means "mostly untravelling spineless critters in oceans," but that doesn't cover the general "porous material" sense (does holystone count?) . I think the creators went off in two directions from the Porifera and failed to reconcile them. The emphasis is clearly on the porous, though,. I suppose that Porifera are {panje danlu}, "spongy critters" or whatever fu'ivlos out of {danlu porifera}. Individual corals and certain coral structures are not very beholed, but at least some types of coral reefs are -- as well as some other coral structures (brains, e.g.). Maybe that is a further ground for the slide. --part1_8b.1c158ef1.2a81afa2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:33:10 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:

a three-dimensional object that is full of holes throughout. The meanings
overlap (my bath sponge is both), but I don't see how the word is extended to
corals, which belong to the Cnidaria and don't have holes throughout. Can
someone explain? What should we call sponges, in the Porifera sense? What
should we call corals?

Maybe it means "mostly untravelling spineless critters in oceans," but that doesn't cover the general "porous material" sense (does holystone count?) . I think the creators went off in two directions from the Porifera and failed to reconcile them. The emphasis is clearly on the porous, though,. I suppose that Porifera are {panje danlu}, "spongy critters" or whatever fu'ivlos out of {danlu porifera}. Individual corals and certain coral structures are not very beholed, but at least some types of coral reefs are -- as well as some other coral structures (brains, e.g.). Maybe that is a further ground for the slide.

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