From sentto-44114-14930-1028675069-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Aug 06 16:05:03 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17cDNu-0003Ch-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:05:02 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14930-1028675069-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2002 23:04:31 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Aug 2002 23:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 5545 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 23:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2002 23:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 23:04:30 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id DAE5B3C477; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:04:28 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806174544.0324bd40@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806174544.0324bd40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com Message-Id: <0208061904260D.02750@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:04:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: non-core translations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday 06 August 2002 17:59, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 08:21 PM 8/6/02 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > >la adam cusku di'e > > > > >In fact, how you describe the situation, all that is > > >really baselined is the list of actual gismu with their general > > >meaning as set by the keyword. Everything else could theoretically be > > >open to debate and change if a consensus is reached. I was under the > > >impression that the whole list was baselined and would be considered > > >the defining document for the dictionary. > > > >Good. That means that {xruti} can still be fixed, since it was > >agreed at one point to remove the agent place but it was never > >done. I think in Spanish I translated it as non-agentive. > > Removing places would be a violation of the standards of the baseline as > conveyed to me when we started, and hence would require a higher degree of > consensus than I think is possible. If it was in fact agreed, and no > example in the CLL enshrines the current place structure, you would have a > stronger case than normal, but under the guidelines I've received, I am not > considering any such changes and will not do so on my own. We don't have a > Lojban academy, so you basically have to convince the whole community and > document the change. Is it possible to *add* places? {remna} denotes a member of a species, and so ought to have an x2 for the species, as does {cinfo}; and likewise {panje} if used for the animal. phma ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/