From sentto-44114-15091-1029370435-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Aug 14 17:14:29 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.87]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17f8HS-0003rG-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:14:26 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15091-1029370435-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 00:13:55 -0000 X-Sender: a-rosta@alphaphe.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 00:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 41331 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 00:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 00:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.alphaphe.net) (217.33.150.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 00:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 20009 invoked by uid 101); 15 Aug 2002 00:13:51 -0000 Received: from host213-1-33-248.webport.bt.net (HELO oemcomputer) (213.1.33.248) by smtp.alphaphe.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 00:13:51 -0000 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <007201c24355$d6ede030$0200a8c0@avitallap> X-EDATA: smtp.alphaphe.net 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AlphaPhe.Net (www.alphaphe.net) From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:15:18 +0100 Subject: RE: [lojban] kau -- What does it really mean?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 X-archive-position: 621 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a-rosta@alphaphe.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I don't have time to get embroiled in a rehash of all these issues, so here's just a quick response not to the content of your message but just to the subject line. Originally, kau was supposed to mark Focus. Then the problem arose of how to render indirect questions in Lojban. Because that was a difficult problem, there was no easy solution, and someone came up with the idea of using questionword + kau. It wasn't a good idea, but as I say, it was a difficult problem. Anyway, the upshot of this was that in usage, kau became meaningless; it converts direct questions into indirect questions. In my view, it can't even be seen as some kind of logical converter, because I think indirect questions are semantically more basic than direct questions. The refgram was written before a lot of this stuff was realized, so it is not a reliable source of information on this particular issue. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/RN.GAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/