From sentto-44114-15107-1029507334-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Aug 16 07:16:09 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.80]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17fhtV-0000I7-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:16:05 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15107-1029507334-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2002 14:15:34 -0000 X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 14:15:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 64566 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.tapuz.co.il) (212.150.54.158) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 14:15:32 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.0.182.60]) by out.tapuz.co.il ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:20:38 +0200 Message-ID: <008201c24537$da31a680$3cb6003e@oemcomputer> To: "lojban list" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020810111025.032cb880@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020811195117.031545b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From: "Adam Raizen" X-Yahoo-Profile: araizen MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:00:16 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: zo xruti xruti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: araizen@newmail.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la lojbab. cusku di'e > I should note that Nora opposes the xruti change at the moment, so my > willingness to consider the change if written up does not mean that lojbab > is giving up on the baseline %^). What exactly is her objection? Is it primarily because it is a baseline change (and that agentive 'xruti' is salvageable) or is it because she thinks that agentive 'xruti' is better? There have been quite a few people who have objected to the change, but all on the grounds that it was a baseline change; no one claimed that agentive 'xruti' had any advantages over non-agentive 'xruti'. > She notes that there are a few other > words that have slipped through the agent deletion. fendi, ganzu. Perhaps those should be fixed, too. It seems that those are less often used, or have close non-agentive equivalents (e.g. sepli, nicybi'o), so the need for the non-agentive form is less urgent. > In > particular she notes that sisti is now agentive, and she believes that it > wasn't originally (parallelling cfari), and was made agentive because > "usage demanded it". Non-agentive 'sisti' is easily done with 'tolcfa', so that is not a problem. There is no other satisfactory way to get to non-agentive 'xruti'. mu'o mi'e .adam. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/RN.GAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/