From sentto-44114-15206-1029974677-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Aug 21 17:05:11 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17hfTJ-0006RL-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:05:09 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15206-1029974677-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 00:04:38 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 73957 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:56:11 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.42 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:56:11 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 23:56:11.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[5399BE10:01C2496E] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.42] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:56:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [lojban] The number of dogs. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 736 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la camgusmis cusku di'e >li mo'e le gerku > >-Robin, who has become a convert to the belief that le ni gerku *never* >means "the number of dogs". I agree about {le ni}, but I would just say {le terkancu be lei gerku}, just a little bit longer but hopefully with a plain meaning. (Unfortunately there isn't a simple selbri for "x1 is the number (cardinality) of (mass/set) x2".) I can't say for sure what {li mo'e le gerku} means, but one theory holds that it is the dimensioned number "all the dogs", like {li mo'e ci gerku} would give the dimensioned number "3 dogs". "All the dogs" might work for "the number of dogs", but where would you use it? Not in a context that asks for a bare number. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/