From sentto-44114-15218-1029989229-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Aug 21 21:07:47 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.83]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17hjG4-0006wH-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:07:44 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15218-1029989229-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 04:07:13 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 04:07:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32484 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 04:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 04:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 04:07:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:07:10 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:07:09 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 04:07:10.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[63117810:01C24991] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.29] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:07:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 748 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la pycyn cusku di'e >< > la djak naku djuno ro du'u la djil sipna > Jack doesn't know (every) that Jill is asleep. > >Even though he does know that Jill is asleep. Odd at least. > >> > >Why so? Because it doesn't correspond to anything in natlangs as far as I can tell. ><< >{tu'o} suggests itself to me: the non-quantifier quantifier. >I suppose I have been using {lo'e} as {tu'o lo}. > >> >And this differs from {su'o lo} exactly how? In that tu'o does not quantify over the members of lo'i. It only extracts the intension. >Why do {le} and {lo} bring in manifestations. They refer to members of the >set lo'i nu mi citka lo cakla, and every member of that set is an event, >abstract, not an occasion, manifestation. What would {re nu mi citka lo cakla} be, other than two occasions real or imaginary, but occasions? If they are not occasions, is there any way to refer to occasions in Lojban? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/