From sentto-44114-15253-1030244879-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Aug 24 20:08:33 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.100]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17inlP-000331-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:08:31 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15253-1030244879-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2002 03:07:59 -0000 X-Sender: slobin@ice.ru X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 03:07:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 6605 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 03:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 03:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO party.ice.ru) (193.110.4.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 03:07:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (slobin@localhost) by party.ice.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA24045 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:07:57 +0400 X-Authentication-Warning: party.lan.ice.ru: slobin owned process doing -bs X-Sender: To: Message-ID: From: Cyril Slobin X-Yahoo-Profile: slobinru MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:07:57 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [lojban] non-volitional zukte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 783 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi rodo How to say "x1 is active/functions/operates/works"? {zukte} is for volitional activity, but what if x1 is a machine or eg. a shop? I've asked on IRC, and best option we found is {se sazri}, but I feel it is not the answer. Any suggestions? co'o mi'e kir. -- Cyril Slobin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/