From sentto-44114-15572-1031751992-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 06:47:07 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.106]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17p7pg-0001z4-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:47:04 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15572-1031751992-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2002 13:46:33 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 13:46:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 85625 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 13:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 13:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 13:46:32 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.17d.e2fe9c9 (3948) for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17d.e2fe9c9.2ab0a32f@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:23 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] tunlo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17d.e2fe9c9.2ab0a32f_boundary" X-archive-position: 1103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_17d.e2fe9c9.2ab0a32f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/2002 6:57:04 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: << > The full list of basic actions seem to be: cisma, cmila, frumu, > senci, tunlo (smile, laugh, frown, sneeze, swallow). Can you > elaborate on the range that they can cover? >> And {bikla} "whip". The most of these are facial in a broad sense, but the original "philosophical" idea was much more about gross bodily movements, muscle contractions at various points in the voluntary sets -- more like {bikla} in fact, but harder in general to find good words for. "kick, blink, step (just lifting the foot, not the whole process), bend, straighten" are some relatively easy cases; harder ones are flexing a finger, raising a knee, and so on: the muscle components of all meaningful actions -- that is, the pieces deprived of meaning. << What are all the cases? >> I don't supppose there is a complete list; it is pretty open-ended. I don't remember what other cases were considered and rejected or what ignored or discovered too late. There were a few of the first sort and more of the later. --part1_17d.e2fe9c9.2ab0a32f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/2002 6:57:04 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

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The full list of basic actions seem to be: cisma, cmila, frumu,
senci, tunlo (smile, laugh, frown, sneeze, swallow). Can you
elaborate on the range that they can cover?

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And {bikla} "whip". The most of these are facial in a broad sense, but the original "philosophical" idea was much more about gross bodily movements, muscle contractions at various points in the voluntary sets -- more like {bikla} in fact, but harder in general to find good words for. "kick, blink, step (just lifting the foot, not the whole process), bend, straighten" are some relatively easy cases; harder ones are flexing a finger, raising a knee, and so on: the muscle components of all meaningful actions -- that is, the pieces deprived of meaning.

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What are all the cases?
>>
I don't supppose there is a complete list; it is pretty open-ended. I don't remember what other cases were considered and rejected or what ignored or discovered too late. There were a few of the first sort and more of the later.

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