From sentto-44114-15574-1031751997-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 06:47:14 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.84]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17p7pl-0001z8-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:47:09 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15574-1031751997-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2002 13:46:38 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 13:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88393 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 13:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 13:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 13:46:37 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.c5.28c68707 (3948) for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:29 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] "boring" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5.28c68707.2ab0a335_boundary" X-archive-position: 1104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_c5.28c68707.2ab0a335_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/2002 11:12:47 AM Central Daylight Time, Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de writes: << > How to express (with an attitudinal) that something is boring? I would have > expected something like "opposite of interesting". > > .a'u is "interest" but .a'unai is glossed as "repulsion"... could I also > use > it for "this is boring"? As in {.a'unai le veltivni cu spofu}? >> Good question! It looks as though "interest" here (key words are not our friends) means something like "attraction," which is certainly one sense of "interest," though not the first to come to mind as an emotion. "boring," in particular, lies in another direction, without the evaluative component (we can be bored with attractive ideas -- or their expressions --as much as with unattractive ones). Probably there is something to be worked out with the dimensional emotive system, but no one uses it or can decode it on the fly (and often not with the book in front of them), so that probably wont help for "booooooring" {a'a} won't help, since its neutral position covers daydreaming better than being bored -- for which one has to be at least somewhat attentive. Maybe a combination of {ueru'e} and {u'inai}? << And as for the adjective -- tolci'i? tolzdi? >> Both seem to work, though for slightly different notions, obviously. But they fit in nicely with the suggested attitudinals. Probably {malslabu} works for another sense. --part1_c5.28c68707.2ab0a335_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/2002 11:12:47 AM Central Daylight Time, Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de writes:

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How to express (with an attitudinal) that something is boring? I would have
expected something like "opposite of interesting".

.a'u is "interest" but .a'unai is glossed as "repulsion"... could I also use
it for "this is boring"? As in {.a'unai le veltivni cu spofu}?

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Good question! It looks as though "interest" here (key words are not our friends) means something like "attraction," which is certainly one sense of "interest," though not the first to come to mind as an emotion. "boring," in particular, lies in another direction, without the evaluative component (we can be bored with attractive ideas -- or their expressions --as much as with unattractive ones). Probably there is something to be worked out with the dimensional emotive system, but no one uses it or can decode it on the fly (and often not with the book in front of them), so that probably wont help for "booooooring"
{a'a} won't help, since its neutral position covers daydreaming better than being bored -- for which one has to be at least somewhat attentive.
Maybe a combination of {ueru'e} and {u'inai}?

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And as for the adjective -- tolci'i? tolzdi?
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Both seem to work, though for slightly different notions, obviously. But they fit in nicely with the suggested attitudinals. Probably {malslabu} works for another sense.

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