From sentto-44114-15784-1032280201-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 09:37:41 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.75]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17rLM2-0004rF-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:37:38 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15784-1032280201-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 16:30:02 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 16:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 54015 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 16:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 16:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 16:30:01 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.1a1.8cb1fa5 (4584) for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a1.8cb1fa5.2ab8b27e@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:29:50 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] taiku ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a1.8cb1fa5.2ab8b27e_boundary" X-archive-position: 1273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_1a1.8cb1fa5.2ab8b27e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/2002 8:16:10 PM Central Daylight Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes: << > >> As a member of the generation that uses this like: > >> It is not actually freestanding - a grammar has evolved of when it is > and > is > >> not used. > > >In particular, it is used as a marker of indirect and sometimes even > >direct discourse: standard "I said that P" comes out "I'm, like, P." > > I actually find that usage less commonly than as a marker of secondhand > knowledge, but it is used also. >> Muffy Siegel at Temple U claims to ahve isolated three usages: 1) The quotation introduction mentioned above 2) a hedge -- what follows is not guaranteed accurate (this is probably the same as the secondhand knowledge case -- the data would overlap, at least). Noted as early as 1985. 3) to introduce an exaggeration -- the extreme of 2 -- guaranteed in accurate but for effect. The article is in The Journal of Semantics, but I have neithr title nor date to hand. --part1_1a1.8cb1fa5.2ab8b27e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/2002 8:16:10 PM Central Daylight Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes:

<<
>> As a member of the generation that uses this like:
>> It is not actually freestanding - a grammar has evolved of when it is and
is
>> not used.

>In particular, it is used as a marker of indirect and sometimes even
>direct discourse:  standard "I said that P" comes out "I'm, like, P."

I actually find that usage less commonly than as a marker of secondhand
knowledge, but it is used also.

>>
Muffy Siegel at Temple U claims to ahve isolated three usages:
1) The quotation introduction mentioned above
2) a hedge -- what follows is not guaranteed accurate (this is probably the same as the secondhand knowledge case  -- the data would overlap, at least). Noted as early as 1985.
3) to introduce an exaggeration -- the extreme of 2 -- guaranteed in accurate but for effect. 
The article is in The Journal of Semantics, but I have neithr title nor date to hand.
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