From sentto-44114-15793-1032297531-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 14:21:04 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.83]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17rPmI-0006Nf-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:21:02 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15793-1032297531-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:52 -0000 X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 49757 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200209171052.GAA12600@mail2.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "A.W.T." X-Originating-IP: 212.144.142.82 X-Yahoo-Profile: aolung MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: carolingianosity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- In lojban@y..., John Cowan wrote: >This fellow is interesting: in English, his > name is completely opaque, in French it's partly opaque and partly not, > but in German his name *is* la karolus. poi barda: Karl der Grosse. > Of course, in Germany he's a German emperor, whereas in France (and > a fortiori in Anglophonia) he's a French emperor. The latter statement may be correct, but I never was taught (post WWII) tha= t 'Karl der Große' was a German emperor - nor that he was a French emperor: there was no 'german' or 'french' state at that time! Carolus Magnus (Charlesmagne), king of 'Franken' (Franconia?), was regarded the leader of = the Roman Empire (much later called 'Das Römische Reich Deutscher Nation'). mi'e .aulun. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/