From sentto-44114-15836-1032385671-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 15:32:13 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.91]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17rnMh-0006mq-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:32:11 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15836-1032385671-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 21:47:51 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 21:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 53803 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 21:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 21:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-15.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 21:47:50 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-68-213.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.68.213]) by mailbox-15.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D9E6218F2 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:47:47 +0200 (DST) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020918153659.P1238@skunk.reutershealth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:49:26 +0100 Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list John: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 08:32:42PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > {lo ka'e pavyseljirna cu blabi} or else {lo su'o mu'ei pavyseljirna > > cu blabi} is true (according to my beliefs). {lo ca'a pavysljirna > > cu blabi} is false. > > I read "lo ka'e pavyseljirna" as "something(s) which have the (innate) > capability of being unicorns," and I don't think they exist either. > If you want to talk of unicorns, I think you either move (implicitly or > explicitly) into a world where there are unicorns simpliciter, or else > you have to go meta and talk of concepts of unicorns, statements about > unicorns, or whatever. That's why I offered the {su'o mu'ei} alternative. There is inconsistency in the definition of {ka'e} & co, between the "is capable of being" and "in some possible world is". (Basically, the capability story is the usual one, but the possible story is used when nu is involved.) --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/