From sentto-44114-15862-1032432667-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 03:53:32 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.89]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ryw1-0001yo-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:53:25 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15862-1032432667-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 10:51:08 -0000 X-Sender: nessus@free.fr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 10:51:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 77643 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 10:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 10:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.19.254) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 10:51:07 -0000 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D760C960087D368 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:51:06 +0200 Received: from ftiq2awxk6 (80.9.199.161) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D80120800457B46 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:51:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c25fcc$2ffd6d20$a1c70950@ftiq2awxk6> To: References: <19d.8e35557.2ab9e5d9@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lionel Vidal" X-Yahoo-Profile: cmacinf MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:06 +0200 Subject: [lojban] tu'o usage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la pc cusku di'e: > {tu'o}, the "null operand" (nowhere further explained) is used here as a > vacuous PA. The grammar requires a descriptor or a number here, but the fact > is that there is always exactly one thing satisfying this description, so why > get involved with all the problems (quantifiers especially) that using a > regular form involves? la xorxes cusku di'e >{tu'o} is the "quantifier" you use when you don't want a >quantifier. What is then the semantic of {tu'o broda}? If it is used when there is exactly one thing satisfying the description, why not be explicit with {lo pa broda}? mu'omi'e lioNEL ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/