From sentto-44114-15911-1032548936-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 12:11:25 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17sTBS-0002Vn-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:11:22 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15911-1032548936-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 19:08:57 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 19:08:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 74855 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 19:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 19:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-15.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 19:08:56 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-71-4.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.71.4]) by mailbox-15.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EC2D207F1 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:08:54 +0200 (DST) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7e.2dfdd0d4.2abb9151@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:10:34 +0100 Subject: [lojban] corrigible vlaste? RE: Re: I like chocolate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list pc: > jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > << > Would you say that official {sisku} is just awkward (my position), > or plain nonsensical? > >> > Given that choice, I would go with "awkward," too. I would prefer > "ill-conceived" and "needlessly opque" (not quite the same as "awkward'). It's really the baseline that is ill-conceived. It is inevitable that at the stage of development the language was at when it was baselined it would be full of things awkward & ill-conceived. I wonder whether it would be worthwhile keeping on a wiki a ma'oste and gi'uste where revisions can be made that correct some of the faults of the baselined versions -- stripping out unnecessary sumti places, making place structures consistent, revising definitions, etc. That way we have some sort of ongoing record of what the vocab should be like had it not been baselined, and it also means that we have a shared point of reference. Whenever Jorge points out flaws in the gismu, I invariably agree with him, but don't keep records of the revisions that his remarks imply. It would be useful to record these in the form of a corrigible vlaste. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/