From sentto-44114-15965-1032660790-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Sep 21 19:15:46 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.88]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17swHf-0008F6-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:15:43 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15965-1032660790-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 02:13:10 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 02:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 47184 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 02:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 02:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 02:13:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:13:10 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.18 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:13:09 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 02:13:10.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F73640:01C261DD] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.18] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:13:09 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Translation request Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1453 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la djorden cusku di'e >I think you're confusing your connectives. Logical connectives >are always expandable: > ko'a broda je brode == ko'a broda gi'e brode == ko'a broda .ije ko'a >brode Well... No argument about the second equivalence, but the Book does not sanction the first one (pg. 349). I read {sampu je tolkargu traji} as {traji le ka sampu je tolkargu}, and even if you expand that to {traji le ka sampu gi'e tolkargu}, it won't expand any further. There are no fast rules about tanru, so you could I suppose interpret it as {sampu traji gi'e tolkargu traji}, but I find the other expansion more natural. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/