From sentto-44114-16110-1033084630-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 17:00:21 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.92]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17uiYL-0008LS-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:00:17 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16110-1033084630-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2002 23:57:11 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 23:57:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 39861 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.8f.22e3567a (4539) for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:57:00 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary" X-archive-position: 1598 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: << > le plini cu mulcarna paroi ro mentu > > 1- Is {mulcarna} good for "x1 makes a full turn around x2 > in direction x3"? >> I tend to see what something takes a turn around as a center rather than an axis, which {carna} seems to require -- is this a legitimate extension? << 2- The problem with {paroi ro mentu} is that the quantifiers are in the wrong order. The alternative {ro da poi mentu zo'u le plini cu mulcarna paroi da} is too longwinded and requires forethought. Any ideas? >> Why doesn't this mean "the planet makes a full turn around all minutes once," i.e., why isn't {ro mentu} x2? {paroi} seems to be a free modifier so has at most rhetorical effect on its neighbors and there is nothing in CLL or the cmavo list to suggest that {PAroi} takes a sumti to indicate the span within which the repetitions are counted (though maybe it should). Maybe something like {ca ro mentu le plini paroi mulcarna}, though I'd be happier with something more intervally than {ca} -- can {ze'e} be used in that way (there used to be something like {ci'a}, but that may be all th way back to Loglan. --part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

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       le plini cu mulcarna paroi ro mentu

1- Is {mulcarna} good for "x1 makes a full turn around x2
in direction x3"?

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I tend to see what something takes a turn around as a center rather than an axis, which {carna} seems to require -- is this a legitimate extension? 

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2- The problem with {paroi ro mentu} is that the quantifiers
are in the wrong order. The alternative {ro da poi mentu zo'u
le plini cu mulcarna paroi da} is too longwinded and requires
forethought. Any ideas?
>>
Why doesn't this mean "the planet makes a full turn around all minutes once,"  i.e., why isn't {ro mentu} x2?  {paroi} seems to be a free modifier so has at most rhetorical effect on its neighbors and there is nothing in CLL or the cmavo list to suggest that {PAroi} takes a sumti to indicate the span within which the repetitions are counted (though maybe it should). 
Maybe something like {ca ro mentu le plini paroi mulcarna}, though I'd be happier with something more intervally than {ca} -- can {ze'e} be used in that way (there used to be something like {ci'a}, but that may be all th way back to Loglan.
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