From sentto-44114-16123-1033138134-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 07:52:07 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17uwTM-0002UH-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:52:04 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16123-1033138134-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 14:48:54 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 14:48:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 68010 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 14:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 14:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 14:48:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 14:48:48 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200209270333.XAA19087@mail2.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.49.74.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:48:47 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: interactions between tenses, other tenses, and NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1611 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la djan cusku di'e > The principle is that everything is exported > to the prenex in the order in which it (first) appears, *except* NA, > which is always exported to the very beginning. In that way, inserting > "na" before the selbri (mixed with tenses any way you like) is always the > exact contradictory negation of the version without "na". I doubt this can work in practice. {na} is consistently misused by almost everybody, so I suspect that the rule will be eventually generalized to order of appearance, {na} not excepted. > -- > John Cowan jcowan@r... www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan > "The exception proves the rule." Dimbulbs think: "Your counterexample proves > my theory." Classicists think "'Probat' means 'tests': the exception puts the > rule to the proof." But legal historians know it means "Evidence for an > exception is evidence of the existence of a rule in cases not excepted from." In Spanish the saying is "la excepción que confirma la regla", so the classisists' version is not possible for us. (The legal historians' version is more difficult to explain to the dimbulbs.) mu'o mi'e xorxes ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/