From sentto-44114-16152-1033159128-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 13:45:06 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.66]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17v1yu-0004G0-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:45:01 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16152-1033159128-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 20:38:48 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 20:38:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3057 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 20:38:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 20:38:47 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90.2c775efa.2ac61854@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.49.74.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:38:45 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: interactions between tenses, other tenses, and NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la pycyn cusku di'e > As usual, "logical" applied to Lojban means "how to do it in the usual > language of formal logic," which, in this case (as usually), is the standrad > Lojban convention. If I understand correctly, "the usual language of formal logic" would have something like ~Fab This can be described as: 1- Negation in front of the predicate 2- Negation in front of the whole expression Lojban does: a~Fb, so as far as negation goes, it either follows the usual language of formal logic (by 1) or it does not follow the usual language of formal logic (by 2). >(But there are perfectly good logical systems tht do it > otherwise -- including especially ones that, like Lojban, are SVO rather than > VSO.) Right. mu'o mi'e xorxes ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/