From sentto-44114-16189-1033244525-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Sep 28 13:25:27 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.103]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17vO9V-0008Mj-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:25:25 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16189-1033244525-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2002 20:22:06 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 20:22:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 61808 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 20:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 20:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 20:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2002 20:22:05 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020928192543.GA43408@allusion.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.69.6.60 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:22:03 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la djorden cusku di'e > ko'a .e ko'e may sometimes (or even most of the time) mean the same > thing as ro le re co'e, but since it is not a specified part of the > language it has no relevance to a discussion about how quantified terms > and tags containing quantifiers work in the language. For me it is extremely relevant. > So I agree this is probably a pointless argument, as I am apparently > discussing lojban, whereas you are discussing lojban + local hacks. You're picking up pc's bad habits... :) I don't really mind how you label it, I think I'm discussing Lojban. > > {pa le prenu cu klama la paris e la romas}? > > > > (1) pa le prenu cu klama la paris ije pa le prenu cu klama la romas > > > > (2) ko'a goi pa le prenu zo'u ko'a klama la paris ije ko'a klama la romas > > I agree in that it has the meaning of number 2. I don't agree that > it has the side effect of defining ko'a. A better way of putting it > is that it first expands to > pa le prenu cu klama la paris gi'e klama la romas Then the {paroiku} case first expands to: paroiku mi klama la paris gi'e klama la romas {paroiku} should behave just like {pa prenu}. > I'm still not sure what that has to do with anything, though. It shows that quantifiers of other terms can have scope over {e}, in exactly the same way that they can have scope over {ro}. mu'omi'e xorxes ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/