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From: Jordan DeLong <fracture@allusion.net>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: sticky hypothesis
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On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 12:22:23PM +0200, Lionel Vidal wrote:
> Is there a grammatical device to make some hypothesis
> marked by {da'i} sticky?  I would like to be able to sate
> an hypothesis in the {da'i} sense, then to express
> a bunch of bridis all dependent of it but not connected in
> any other way, and then to reverse to normal discourse.
> Or in other words, something like the sticky tag used for tense,
> adapted to discursives.
> (The context of all this is a tentative translation of some mathematical
> text, where the validity of an hypothesis may run for some times,
> before being proved or disproved)
> Any ideas?

Well, I would've suggested:
  fi'o du'u da'i ko'a broda brodu ko'e .e ko'i fe'u ki

But for some unknown reason the grammar only allows KI on
simple-tense-modals, and not the full fi'o ones.  Dunno why.

Anyway, so I suggest you could do something like:

  .i broda brodu .ini'i tu'e
    .i ko'a ko'e broda
    .i ko'e ko'a broda
  tu'u

Which is probably nicer than trying to use tense stickiness anyway.

--=20
Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
                                     sei la mark. tuen. cusku

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