From sentto-44114-15381-1031052086-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 04:22:00 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 03 Sep 2002 04:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.66]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17mBks-0003qn-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 04:21:58 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15381-1031052086-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 11:21:26 -0000 X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 11:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 36757 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 11:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 11:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 11:21:25 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:49:32 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:21:02 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 To: lojban From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:20:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: pronunciation guide for lessons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 911 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list John Cowan 09/03/02 04:44am >>> > Well, I believe that is the correct policy. As long as the distinction > between Lojban /p/ and /b/ is audible, it matters little whether it > is about voicing, aspiration, or both. I'm not disputing the policy, but since the audibility of a distinction is highly subjective & coloured by the hearer's native accent, the policy amounts to saying "Lojban has these phonological distinctions, & it's up to the speaker and hearer to find some way to implement them phonetically in such as way that the distinctions are mutually perceptible". --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/