From sentto-44114-16296-1033490278-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Oct 01 09:43:17 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.80]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wQ78-0007e6-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:43:14 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16296-1033490278-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2002 16:37:58 -0000 X-Sender: eks2@york.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 16:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 84332 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 16:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 16:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 16:37:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2002 16:37:57 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Evgueni Sklyanin" X-Originating-IP: 144.32.128.133 X-Yahoo-Profile: sklyanin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:37:54 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: gizmu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1785 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eks2@york.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- In lojban@y..., "Jorge Llambias" wrote: > > la and cusku di'e > > >Out of curiosity, I wonder to what extent Lojbanists anglicize the > >pronunciation of Lojban words when used in English. For example, I > >unconsciously anglicize _gismu_ to /gizmu/. (I have other strange > >mispronunciations too, but they are not obvious anglicizations.) > > I spanishize them when using them in Spanish: > > gismu /gihmu/ > cmavo /eSmaBo/ > lujvo /luSBo/ > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Being a Russian speaker, I tend to pronounce {ci}/{ji} more like {cy}/{jy} Also, {ti}/{di} tends to sound more like {tsi}/{dzi} I have also difficulties with the apostrophe sound. The nearest thing a Russian speaker can think of is the Ukranian/south-Russian 'g', or perhaps Modern Greek 'gamma' but I am not sure if it is acceptable. co'o mi'e .evgenis. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/