From sentto-44114-16393-1033684399-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Oct 03 15:37:15 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.78]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xEam-0004j9-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:37:12 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16393-1033684399-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 X-Sender: poldenet@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 48423 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp017.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 22:33:19 -0000 Received: from m263-mp1.cvx1-a.man.dial.ntli.net (HELO paul) (poldenet@62.252.197.7 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 22:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c26b2c$d56e3da0$07c5fc3e@dennett> To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003071349.032088c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "poldenet" X-Yahoo-Profile: poldenet MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:25:46 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban in 12 weeks? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C26B2B.D1A962E0" X-archive-position: 1882 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: poldenet@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C26B2B.D1A962E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using the Logflash program from 17th June until 25th September = up to the end of Gaining Control Mode. I used the program pretty much dail= y, averaging about 45 minutes to an hour a day throughout this period of 10= 1 days. I therefore estimate that I have spent perhaps 76 to 101 hours usi= ng Logflash. When I started out learning the Lojban gismu I set myself two= targets: firstly to achieve 50% recognition and recall within 3 months, an= d then to achieve 90% recognition and recall within 6 months. I tested mys= elf on 17th September, by which time I had completed the New Words mode and= was more than half way through the Gaining Control Mode. I scored 57% on = recognition and 53% on recall, with no special preparation other than the L= ogflash work I had been doing anyway. Bob implied I think that the Under Control phase under Gaining Control mode= were a kind of ongoing test of overall progress (apologies if this is not = the case). However I didn't get that impression while doing the work, as i= t seemed to me that the gismu given for recall in the Under Control phase w= ere mostly from the most recent sessions, with only a handful from further = back. So although I was regularly remembering 80% plus of the Under Contro= l words, I think this gave a somewhat inflated impression of my real abilit= y, as the test on 17th September indicated.=20 I have stopped using Logflash now, at least for the time being, as I want t= o try other ways of consolidating the vocabulary, partly by actively using = the language, and also learning the gismu by topic using the thesaurus file= worked out by Yevgeni Sklyanin. In any case I will send the log files to = Bob if they are useful. Paul Dennett Halifax, UK=20=20=20=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert LeChevalier=20 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban in 12 weeks? If anyone else has used LogFlash extensively (ideally having gone through= =20 all the new words and preferably up to maintenance mode) and has not sent= =20 me logs, the files are need are the two files labelled ".fl1" with your=20 name in the filename. Thorough analysis of the logs takes a while=20 including a software program that I don't remember how to use right now,= =20 but the above numbers came from a quick scan (since I have a pretty good= =20 idea what to look for). lojbab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 09/09/02 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C26B2B.D1A962E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have been using the Logflash program from 17th June until 25th September up to the end of Gaining Control Mode.  I used the program pretty much daily, averaging about 45 minutes to an hour a day throughout this period of 101 days.  I therefore estimate that I have spent perhaps 76 to 101 hours using Logflash.  When I started out learning the Lojban gismu I set myself two targets: firstly to achieve 50% recognition and recall within 3 months, and then to achieve 90% recognition and recall within 6 months.  I tested myself on 17th September, by which time I had completed the New Words mode and was more than half way through the Gaining Control Mode.  I scored 57% on recognition and 53% on recall, with no special preparation other than the Logflash work I had been doing anyway.
 
Bob implied I think that the Under Control phase under Gaining Control mode were a kind of ongoing test of overall progress (apologies if this is not the case).  However I didn't get that impression while doing the work, as it seemed to me that the gismu given for recall in the Under Control phase were mostly from the most recent sessions, with only a handful from further back.  So although I was regularly remembering 80% plus of the Under Control words, I think this gave a somewhat inflated impression of my real ability, as the test on 17th September indicated. 
 
I have stopped using Logflash now, at least for the time being, as I want to try other ways of consolidating the vocabulary, partly by actively using the language, and also learning the gismu by topic using the thesaurus file worked out by Yevgeni Sklyanin.  In any case I will send the log files to Bob if they are useful.
 
Paul Dennett
Halifax, UK   
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert LeChevalier
To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban in 12 weeks?

If anyone else has used LogFlash extensively (ideally having gone through
all the new words and preferably up to maintenance mode) and has not sent
me logs, the files are need are the two files labelled ".fl1" with your
name in the filename.  Thorough analysis of the logs takes a while
including a software program that I don't remember how to use right now,
but the above numbers came from a quick scan (since I have a pretty good
idea what to look for).

lojbab

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