From sentto-44114-16467-1033948272-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Oct 06 16:56:20 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.76]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17yLFx-0006PR-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:56:17 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16467-1033948272-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2002 23:51:13 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 6 Oct 2002 23:51:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 59652 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2002 23:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2002 23:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2002 23:51:12 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.7a.2df81e83 (3956) for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a.2df81e83.2ad2266b@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:51:07 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.2df81e83.2ad2266b_boundary" X-archive-position: 1956 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_7a.2df81e83.2ad2266b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2002 10:47:07 AM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes: quoting Jordan: << > *Some* cmavo, primarily the ones in UI which just freely modify > > things could be easily reorganized as a brivla, and in practice are > > in fact stated that way frequently. (You see gleki leza'i do broda > > as much as .ui do broda). >> This is the oldest screw-up in Lojban (and Loglan before it). People who can't tell UI from "I am ... that..." bridi are suffering from the original malglico and clearly have not yet earned the right to play with the language. They just need to be gently asked which they really mean (Do you care how I feel or do you care that ...?) and reminded how to say the one they want. This is a clear case of the parse (often) not giving the intended meaning. And all the bad usage in the world will not change that. --part1_7a.2df81e83.2ad2266b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2002 10:47:07 AM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes:
quoting Jordan:
<<

*Some* cmavo, primarily the ones in UI which just freely modify
> things could be easily reorganized as a brivla, and in practice are
> in fact stated that way frequently. (You see gleki leza'i do broda
> as much as .ui do broda).

>>

This is the oldest screw-up in Lojban (and Loglan before it). People who can't tell UI from "I am ... that..." bridi are suffering from the original malglico and clearly have not yet earned the right to play with the language. They just need to be gently asked which they really mean (Do you care how I feel or do you care that ...?) and reminded how to say the one they want. This is a clear case of the parse (often) not giving the intended meaning. And all the bad usage in the world will not change that.
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