From sentto-44114-16530-1034156878-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Oct 09 03:11:26 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.71]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zDoI-0007SF-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:11:22 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16530-1034156878-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2002 09:47:58 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 09:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 82070 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 09:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 09:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 09:47:57 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021009094756.LUZE16428.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:47:56 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021009052943.0313cc10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 05:38:47 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Why linguists might be interested in Lojban (was: RE: Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 10:26 PM 10/8/02 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la robin.tr cusku di'e > >The two Lojbanisms that really caught on amongst the players > >were "mabla" (correct usage) and "le do mamta cu gerku" (incorrect, in > >canonical Lojban). > >What do you call "correct usage" for {mabla}? > >I assume it was used as a swear word, which I agree should >be correct usage. > >But the official definition says it is used to describe a swear >word, not that it is one. ({zoi gy shit gy mabla}, but not {mabla} >for "shit!") So it would not constitute correct usage for >fundamentalists. I disagree. "mabla" alone is an observative of something derogatively interpreted 1. Many situations that are "mabla broda" are also "broda mabla", in which case "mabla" alone applies. 2. If "zoi gy shit gy mabla" then "lu'e (la'e zoi gy shit gy) mabla". Metonymy is completely legit in observatives because of la'e/lu'e. So is sumti-raising because of tu'a. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/