From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Oct 09 21:11:54 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zUfn-0000Yy-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:11:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A46xh27245 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:06:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: eschewing SE (was: RE: Re: Standard Lojban (was: The Alice Translation HasMoved And Changed) (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021010000629.F26493-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, And Rosta wrote: > Xod: > > While I'm at it I might as well mention a habit that I think makes Lojban > > simpler, easier for students (most of us!), and remains well within the > > bounds of Standard Lojban. It is the eschewing of selbri SE. The places > > are hard enough to remember as they are, without the conversions. And > > there are ways to announce focus that are more lojbanic: ba'e, and UI. > > I feel the same, but if you want to eschew it completely then its use in > a sumti tail, {le se broda}, will have to be replaced by {poi'i}/{se ka}, > {le poi'i (ke'a) broda}/{le se ka ce'u broda}, each of which is > unofficial. I only eschew it in selbri. -- Before Sept. 11 there was not the present excited talk about a strike on Iraq. There is no evidence of any connection between Iraq and that act of terrorism. Why would that event change the situation? -- Howard Zinn