From jcowan@reutershealth.com Thu Oct 10 07:17:53 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ze8I-0004K7-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:17:46 -0700 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00744; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200210101424.KAA00744@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:11:33 -0400 From: John Cowan Subject: [lojban] Re: [Announcement] The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed To: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org (lojban-list) In-Reply-To: from "And Rosta" at Oct 10, 2002 02:35:03 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list And Rosta scripsit: > Typographic tradition is per script. Lojban did not create its own script. > It borrowed the roman alphabet. Broadly, yes, but there are individual-language typographic traditions, too: 1) The Polish acute accent is shorter and stubbier than the Western one. 2) French likes to put spaces in front of certain terminal punctuations, notably semicolon and colon, and also inside guillemets. 3) Quotation marks have at least six flavors in Europe alone: 6-quotes ... 9-quotes (English, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Turkish) 9-quotes ... 9-quotes (Scandinavian langs) low-9-quotes ... 6-quotes (German, Czech, Slovak) low-9-quotes ... 9-quotes (Hungarian, Polish) guillemets pointing in (Slovene, German sometimes) guillemets pointing out (French, Greek, Russian) 4) Some languages like initial dashes for dialogue, some don't. 5) French c-cedilla can be written with a detached comma below, but not so in Portuguese or Catalan. Turkish insists on s-cedilla, Romanian on s-comma-below for /S/. (The story for Gagauz, which is a Turkic lang spoken in Romania, is still uncertain.) 6) Inverted punctuation marks are unique to Spanish. 7) Lojban uses dots at the beginnings of words. :-) -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel