From sentto-44114-16703-1034714117-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Oct 15 14:14:16 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.88]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 181Z13-0007KV-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:14:13 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16703-1034714117-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2002 20:35:17 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 48784 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.237) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:35:16 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F02E7D0:01C2748A] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:35:16 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: brivla for 'intend' Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la and cusku di'e >What is the best brivla for "x intends that p, x intends to p", given that >intention does not entail action (or deliberate inaction) and that, ba'e >ti'e, >intention is a psychological primitive (i.e. doesn't reduce to a complex of >other notions)? I tend to use {zukte fi} for lack of a better option, but it is certainly a gap in the vocabulary. >{selzilterzukte} is a bit of a mouthful, and won't easily crunch down to >form >other lujvo, and furthermore, what one's goals are is not quite the same as >what >one intends. For example, one can intend something whose natural tendency >is to >occur unless actively prevented, so long as one decides not to prevent it. >But I >wouldn't describe that as one's goal. We could rationalize it as: mi zukte le nu mi cando kei ko'a. I think {zukte} is one of those gismu that kills two concepts with one bloating. Both {zukte fe zi'o} and {zukte fi zi'o} would be useful words. People end up using {gasnu} for {zukte fi zi'o}, which in my opinion is wrong. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/