From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Thu Oct 17 16:50:34 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182KPO-0000eO-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:50:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4EC12BBA for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:45:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp145.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.145]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0B812B9D for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:45:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3DAF4D0D.20500@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:51:41 +0300 From: Robin Turner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: enlighten References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 X-archive-position: 2255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Craig wrote: >>Using gusni would be unacceptable metaphor, I think. It may be the case >>that most (maybe all?) cultures use the KNOWING IS SEEING metaphor, but > > > I've been told that all IE cultures use this metaphor, while Afro-Asiatic > cultures prefer HEARING IS KNOWING ("Hear, o Israel..."), while some > cultures eschew metaphor entirely. > (Se non e vero, e ben trovato). > I can't imagine a culture eschewing metaphor entirely. Do you have any examples? robin.tr